By Luke Madeley
Julian Spence is an amazing running talent that has achieved a lot in a very short space of time. Coming onto the scene fairly late after pursuing football and surfing interests, over the last 6 years Julian has had success with ultra-running, marathons, cross country, as well as on the track. Julian has taken the role of Geelong Regional Cross Country manager and is also the store manager for The Running Company. I caught up with Julian after the recent Melbourne marathon to discuss his run, his future and his thoughts on nutrition, performance and health.
Congratulations Julian on a great effort. I sense from your Strava post (Julian titled his recent marathon run as ‘the wrong way to run 2:27’) you are not happy with your Melbourne Marathon, despite finishing 15th.
I was unhappy with the time, but content with the way I went about the run. The first half went pretty well as I was running consistent splits and I felt good. However, I couldn’t maintain the pace and in the latter part of the race I could have easily pulled out. Overall I was satisfied that I was able to get the finish line.
Leading into the race, you were in great form. Why do you think you ran slower than you expected?
I was aiming for sub 2:20 and I was definately fitter than 2:27. There was a chance that I wasn’t in 2:20 shape and that may have been the problem. However, I still went for it, and when you’re on such a fine line, things can fall apart pretty quickly. I probably could have gone out there and ran conservatively with the aim to run 2:24. However, I pushed myself to run 2:20 which exceeded my threshold on the day and I basically cooked myself!
You also experienced an injury a few weeks before the race?
I was doing a long training run around marathon pace and ran 16 kms into a shocking head wind. I must have changed the way I was running a little bit. I think I just started to lean forward as I was fighting into the wind which may have changed the way my hammy and glutes were working. After that run, I pulled up sore around my hip.
The injury significantly messed with my head. I was stressing about it which led to poor sleep and I started to second guess myself. Also, the legs didn’t get as much time in them for the last 2 weeks prior to the marathon and they were used to running twice a day every day. And all of a sudden I was not running at all.
How is your recovering going?
I haven’t ran in a week and I’m going to have another week off and then start to re-build. I played golf today. I will ride the bike while Bri (Julian’s girlfriend) runs and walk the dog twice a day. I also enjoy just sitting, and not really doing a whole lot. I’m already starting to get motivated to start running again now that the soreness has gone and I’m seeing Bri out running.
What are your short-term goals in running?
The best bit about this experience is the fitness block I got out of it. My immediate goal is a marathon in Japan in February next year, which will give me a chance of running the distance again. I would also consider running the Gold Coast marathon next year where there will be more guys running at the pace I am aiming for. I might do some trail running over summer and I will also jump on the track for some races. But mainly my focus is Japan.
What are your long-term goals in running?
I want to break 2:20 and I want to run at the Zatopek 10 k.m. However I don’t really think about goals like that. Because once I’ve run 2:20, I’ll want to improve on that. I don’t want to put a ceiling on my expectations. That’s why short-term goals are more relevant to me. There will always be another level to get to.
What are your thoughts on running for health benefits?
I don’t see a lot of people losing weight when they run. Most people complain when they start running that they don’t lose weight. And then people are fighting with it (running) all the time and it’s battle to get out all the time. So in those cases, I don’t think that is something you should be doing. Something that is good for your health should still be enjoyable. If you’re forcing yourself to run, it’s not healthy.
I run because I enjoy it. But it’s not necessarily always healthy. I’m always sore, I have no power what so ever, I am stiff and inflexible. I really eat whatever I want so my diet is not awesome. I’m probably under the weight range, my immune system is constantly on edge all the time. So I wouldn’t say what I do is all together healthy. But what I do is at an extreme. And I enjoy it.
You can be healthy and run ok but you’re not going to do as well as if you run 150 kms a week.
What are your thoughts on nutrition and do you feel nutritional requirements for an elite athlete should be different to the average active person?
A lot of it is input vs output. If I run 15 kms in the morning, I think it is 500-600 calories that I burn. In the evening I run 7 kms, maybe I burn 300 calories. I need to get that (calories) from somewhere, otherwise I will waste away. I won’t recover well, I’ll be tired all the time and sore. I find that it is hard to get all of those calories by eating really clean. I try to keep foods wholesome but sometimes you just need to pack it in. So often before bed I will drink a sustagen (energy drink) milkshake so I don’t wake up in the middle of the night hungry.
For average person, if you consume 300 calories before bed and you’re not doing the work then it will just go straight into your fat stores. You don’t need as many calories if you’re not expending a lot of energy.
What’s your philosophy on injuries?
Every runner gets injuries. And sometimes you need to work out the mistake in your training, whether it’s training load, too much intensity, too much volume or too much intensity in close proximity to volume. Sometimes it is the surfaces you run on, like if it is heavily cambered. Footwear features are also important and I know I get tibialis posterior tendon pain when the shoe is too soft.
I started changing the way I ran after sustaining a knee injury. An MRI has shown I have cartilage damage but I was able to cope with this by running with a higher cadence and landing more on the forefoot (and landing under centre of gravity). Using a lower (flatter heeled) pitch shoe, I found it easier to do learn this and it allowed me to absorb the load of running. I started in barefoot shoes such as Vibrams doing walk/runs on fairly hard surfaces. From doing this, patterns changed and all of a sudden landing on the heel felt really unnatural with increased jarring and force. It is good to have some cushion under there (foot) so you can run the next day without being really sore but the best learning technique is to not wear a shoe at all.
What are the necessary components of a successful running program with reference to long steady, tempo and interval workouts?
A program can have all three of these components and can do really well. I don’t pidgeon hole one of these components as the answer. I think all three can help.
Could you give me an example of each type of workout?
Long steady runs have the lowest risk (of injury) and are a good way for me to start re-build fitness. An example of a long steady run for me would be running on a trail for two and half hours at an easy pace (4.30-5.00mins/ km).
A marathon specific tempo session would be 16 k ms at 3.15-3.20mins/km.
Interval training in reference to marathon training would involve 10 repetitions of one km on the track with 90 seconds recovery. This would be usually be performed at 3 min/ km pace.
What additional training tools do you use besides the traditional?
That’s a good question. I take Sustagen before I go to bed so I sleep better. I take inner health plus to help settle the gut. But really I just run…